Paul campaign responds to LST re: Nazi gold
by David Benzion | 10/30/2007 12:23 pm | Alert moderatorJust moments ago, I spoke by phone with Ron Paul press spokesman Jesse Benton regarding a $500 contribution made to the campaign by notorious neo-Nazi Don Black (first exposed here on LST).
The conversation was friendly and professional, and I thank Mr. Benton for getting back in touch with me and being willing to go on the record.
What follows is a paraphrased summary of the questions asked and Benton’s responses (questions were not asked verbatim, but basic thrust was communicated; answers were read back to Benton to assure accuracy and allow him an opportunity to clarify or expand).
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Can Paul confirm that the donation widgets appearing on Stormfront are the result of the site owner’s actions, not the campaign’s?
Yes, absolutely. The donation widgets are freely available to the general public, and anyone can put them on their website without the knowledge of the campaign. We are not advertising on Stormfront.
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Will Paul take measures to block Stormfront as a referring URL to his own website, so that no future donations can possibly flow into his campaign from a site that serves as the on-line nexus of neo-Nazism?
Will Paul ask his own web-staff to trace past donations that were made by anyone arriving at his campaign’s webpage from Stormfront, so that these contributions can be rejected?
Will Paul explore if there are any legal actions available to try to remove his donation widget from Stormfront, and if so pursue them?
We hadn’t thought of these options, but I’ll bring up these ideas with the campaign director.
Blocking the IP address sounds like a simple and practical step that could be taken.
I doubt there is anything we can do legally.
Tracking donations that came from Stormfront’s site sounds more complicated. I’m concerned about setting a precedent for the campaign having to screen and vet everyone who makes a donation.
It is important to keep in mind is that we didn’t solicit this support, and we aren’t interested in spending all of our time and resources focused on this issue. We want to focus on Dr. Paul’s positive agenda for freedom.
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At the very least, will Paul personally state publicly, vigorously and unmistakably that he rejects the support of white supremacists, and that he will not knowingly tolerate their involvement with his campaign in any form or to any degree?
Until three days ago, neither Dr. Paul nor anyone else in the campaign had any idea who Don Black was or is. We’ve never met or communicated with him. We did not solicit his support.
It is certainly unfortunate that the campaign’s donation banner is on his site. We’re not rushing to spend a lot of time reading what’s over there, but what you’ve described is certainly repugnant, and completely anathema to everything Dr. Paul stands for.
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Bottom line– Will the Ron Paul campaign be rejecting the $500 contribution made by neo-Nazi Don Black?
At this time, I cannot say that we will be rejecting Mr. Black’s contribution, but I will bring the matter to the attention of our campaign director again, and expect some sort of decision to be made in coming days.
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There you go America–what say you?
119 Responses to “Paul campaign responds to LST re: Nazi gold”
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Much ado about naught..
October 30th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Doesn’t sound much like a repudiation to me.
October 30th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Sounds like a reasonable response to me. Assuming the decision will be made public.
October 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
All reasonable answers, and all straight-forward. The only remaining issue is returning the Black donation. Benton indicated that is not his decision to make and it will be forthcoming, which is again a fair position. Thank you to LST for promoting this response in full.
It’s also fair to note that the turnaround from the campaign was done in a reasonable and timely manner. I know there are some here who are furious at Paul for not responding within 5 seconds of getting the first email or call about this, as if his press shop has nothing better to do than sit around taking calls from what they percieve (be it correctly or incorrectly) to be hostile bloggers on a moment’s notice. The leveller heads here always expected a response in a more reasonable amount of time though, and I believe Paul has given it and should be credited accordingly.
Now can we finally drop the crazed conspiracy theories and inflamatory innuendo that says Ron Paul supposedly “knew” about the neo-nazi supporter for the better part of the last month?
October 30th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
#2 - Rick - did you not read this part?
Repugnant and completely an anathema to everything Ron Paul stands for. How can he condemn them in any stronger language than that?
October 30th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
And thanks for the check! Your autographed picture of Dr. Paul is on its way to your compound.
October 30th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
6 - Exactly.
October 30th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Funny, Ron Paul hasn’t yet said a word, has he?
October 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
At this point why should he have to? It’s a minor story being circulated primarily by his political opponents, it has yet to break into a single newspaper, and his press sec has already addressed it in a lengthy and reasonable response.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Maybe fittingly, it sounds like Paul’s campaign is using the Sgt. Schultz defense: “I know nuthinggg.”
This campaign, whose supporters say has all the right answers and is an internet sensation, knew nothing about this until brought to their attention in the last few days by a blog?
Are they that incompetent?
Maybe RP supporters should re-think just how clever their hero is.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Not a RP fan, but am betting he doesn’t even know about the contribution, and ( I am guessing) will make a statement about this situation. Returning the money would be a strong statement in itself.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
I will be glad when the primaries are over and we can stop hearing all this Ron Paul bull.
Phil_M is right about one thing, it is a minor story about a minor candidate.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
I smell that smell again. Sniff sniff…oh yeah there it is.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Is Storm Front engaged in any type of illegal activity?
October 30th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Rickg
Are they that incompetent?
Well the incompetence excuse seems to work well for everyone else so why not?
October 30th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
In Congressman Paul’s office in DC, there are very few pictures on the wall. The ones he has chosen include prominent Jewish Economists who left Austria for the US to escape the Nazis. Given how Congressman Paul brings up his great admiration of (Jewish economists) Ludwig Mises and Murray Rothbard so often, it is pretty difficult to imagine why his campaign would ever give permission to post a fundraising link on a Nazi website.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Rick - Exactly what evidence do you have to prove that Ron Paul’s people are being anything but truthful when they say they didn’t know who Black was?
Even some the most rabid Paul-hater blogs that picked up on the LST story gave him the benefit of the doubt:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/25/did-americas-greatest-patriot-get-a-500-donation-from-stormfronts-founder/
It takes a truly conspiratorial mindset to reach the conclusion that Paul constantly tracks, monitors, and individually accepts every donation that comes in to his website or PO Box.
When Paul says he only learned who Black was a few days ago, what evidence do you have that he is being untruthful? Black is an obscure webmaster of a kook neo-nazi website on the extreme fringe of the internet. I’ll even venture to speculate that, given his obscurity, most LST writers who contributed to this story did not even know who Black was until they began researching Stormfront.
To suggest - without evidence - that Paul knew anything other than what he says at this point is at best misleading and at worst willfully disingenuous.
Occam’s razor, Rick. And your line of reasoning fails its test.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
12 -
I agree completely, including the part about Paul being a minor candidate in comparison to the top tier. I believe he has his role to play and I’m glad he’s a part of this election, but it’s silly at this point to think that he is going to win the nomination.
That said, there are major candidates in this race with donor problems of their own that should be publicized at every single opportunity. Rudy Giuliani, for example, has recieved not one but at least four different contributions from a well known child molester and has said nary a word about returning them.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
It answers the questions as satisfactorily as Rudy Tutti answered the pedophile priest question. I would like to see a public statement directly from RP like Reagan’s on the kluxers but I’m guessing that will not be forthcoming. I’m moving on. C’est la vie.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
17.
Common sense, Phil, you should try it some time.
Even internet novices like myself knew a long time ago of Nazis pushing Paul’s candidacy on the web. It is unthinkable his campaign wasn’t told about it or didn’t know just by virtue of the extensive work they do on the internet.
You may be willing to suspend your disbelief due to blind loyalty to a candidate, others are not.
Then again, let’s assume that the Paulbots knew nothing about this until LST told them. That would indicate general ignorance and incompetence, in my book. An uninformed campaign, in fact.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
No matter how wadded RickG’s panties make get, this thing won’t grow legs.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Occam’s razor is common sense, Rick, and your unsupported conspiratorial speculation of Paul’s neo-nazi donation tracker machine violates it on every count.
Surely in your other career as a lawyer you know the principle of evidence. In this case you have none, yet you persist in ungrounded speculation anyway. If not to push an agenda, why is that?
Then honestly answer me this, Rick: when did you first learn of the name Don Black and its association with Stormfront?
Do you regularly track Stormfront’s involvement in campaigns, meaning you knew to look for Black’s name years ago? Or did it come up for the first time last week shortly before this story broke? The former is not entirely impossible, but common sense points strongly toward the latter.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
little mike
Judging from the volume of responses ever time this story is even mentioned I would have to say the story not has legs but is sprinting down the track.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
19 -
There’s one huge difference though. Paul’s campaign condemned stormfront in no uncertain terms. Benton called it “certainly repugnant, and completely anathema to everything Dr. Paul stands for.”
Rudy, by contrast, defended the pedophile in no uncertain terms.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
23 - That isn’t legs, tlr3. That’s called an echo chamber.
Legs means a newspaper picking up the story, or a reporter asking Paul about it at a press conference. So far this thing has picked up half a dozen blogs at best, the majority of which are rabid Paul-haters and political schlock peddlers like LGF.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
I think this concern over “Don Black” is ridiculous. Whem someone gives to a campaign, that indicates that they support the candidate - NOT the other way around. I support Dr. Paul, and I could care less if a few scumbags send him some money. Good. That’s less money in the pockets of scumbags. Put it in the bank and spend it, Doc!
October 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
I only read posts featuring the shrimp icon.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
# 23 trl3
LST is not the universe.
Says you….. LST Universal Moderator
October 30th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
RickG,
In all fairness, *I* didn’t know about Neo-Nazis boosting Ron Paul until you guys started talking about it.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
I am trying to figure out why Stormfront even supports Ron Paul. He is the most live and let live of anyone I have seen running.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
30 - You’ve answered your own question, Broc - he’s live and let live. In RP’s Libertarian Utopia, the Stormfronters are free to be Nazis without being hassled by The Man.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Broc
Why? Maybe is cause he isnt for giving away the store.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Here ya go Broc.
Ron Paul is NOT a White Nationalist. His Libertarian policies will also conflict with National Socialism, something that a good number of Stormfront members support. However, he is the least toxic candidate by leaps and bounds.
On issues particularly important to White Nationalists or the Pro-White in general, of all the mainstream candidates:
* Ron Paul is the strongest opponent of “Hate Crime” Laws.
* Ron Paul is the strongest opponent of Amnesty and “open border” movements.
* Ron Paul wants to end birth-right citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants.
* Ron Paul is the strongest opponent of welfare programs that among other things, would redistribute the income of hard-working White families into the hands of lazy non-Whites.
* Ron Paul is the strongest opponent of Globalism and all attempts to create a North American Union.
* Ron Paul is the strongest opponent of military support and foreign aid to countries like Israel.
* Ron Paul is the least likely to support government crackdowns on Pro-White organizations, and the most likely to veto any legislation to that effect.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
#33 Where’d you cut and paste that from, Daniel?
BENZION ADDS: It was clearly cut and pasted from here.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
* Ron Paul gave Mona Lisa that smile.
* When Ron Paul does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
* When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Ron Paul.
* Ron Paul doesn’t read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.
* Ron Paul uses pepper spray to spice up his steaks.
* When Ron Paul sends in his taxes, he sends blank forms and includes only a picture of himself, crouched and ready to attack. Ron Paul has not had to pay taxes, ever.
* Ron Paul can win a game of Connect Four in only three moves.
* If you spell Ron Paul in Scrabble, you win. Forever.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
jimb, ROFL. You are now an official member of the Smear Team.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
David do you realize that you have given both Ron Paul and Storm Front more free exposure then $50,000 could purchase over a legal group giving a Presidential candidate $500.00.
Take away the word Nazi and it’s not a story and you wouldn’t care. Why isn’t the Bush administration breaking this evil world threatening group up? Because their legal
I have no use for either side here, so don’t try a cheap shot and claim I support them, but this overkill is damaging the good work you did to get the story and putting you on the rack with the other cheap trash papers near the checkout counter.
Whats next pictures of Britney Spears naked?
David the person is dead, the body is rotting, let them take it away.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
#36 - Snarky drive-bys are so much more fun than beating the same old dead horse.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Nazi, the other N word.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
AZ - what are you talking about? This is a followup with COMMENTS FROM THE RON PAUL CAMPAIGN! It would be dishonest NOT to post them. Your LST Derangement is showing.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
LDS™ - It doesn’t just mean Latter Day Saint any more…
October 30th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Using 4 foot high headlines? This is usually reserved for real important news. If God sent an email or called on the phone go for it, but for this?
Use the energy to sell me a good candidate, not to continue trying to kill one that is no more then a side show,
October 30th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
* Ron Paul can slam a revolving door.
* Ron Paul takes his coffee with napalm and two sugars.
* Ron Paul’s pulse is measured on the Richter scale.
* Ron Paul makes onions cry.
* Ron Paul urinates Old Spice.
* Ron Paul can do a wheelie on a unicycle.
October 30th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
42 - c’mon. If the original article was in a big headline format, then don’t you think the response maybe should have the same prominence? It’s only fair.
If you think the original article was overblown, then fine, but now you’re splitting hairs…
October 30th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Matt does the Old Spice burn?
October 30th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
#44 - I guarantee we would be accused of presenting his responses as less important and not giving it the coverage it deserves. Ye jes cain’t win.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Original was a bit overblown, but understandable, it is a big story for LST. But this is the third go around.
Good work, hey if I was posting a link on TalkinTexas.com would I use such big letters this time? No. At least I did not read anything here that was really new and ground breaking.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
* Superman wears Ron Paul pajamas.
* If it tastes like chicken, looks like chicken, and feels like chicken, but Ron Paul says its beef. Then you better believe it’s beef.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Hamous you just cannot respect another persons opinion if you do not agree with it. You shy away from debating the facts and throw cheap shots to deflect your failure to sell your opinions.
Just like last week when you compared Casa Juan Diego to a church.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
A formula for business failure:
Surround yourself with ” yes ” men and only those who think like you.
Its your property, burn it to the ground if you wish.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
#49 - What about my response?
October 30th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
AZ - Go back and look at the thread. I did not compare Casa Juan Diego to a church. I said that the media and the loony left would compare it to a church and that is how the public would perceive it. If you want respect quit lying about me. For someone who bitches and moans about LST all day elsewhere you sure show up here a lot.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Of course not. We’re talking about Ron Paul, here!
October 30th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
Holy crap:
* Ron Paul is an element on the periodic table.
* Ron Paul supplies enough power to light Las Vegas for 15 years.
* Ron Paul is a constitutionalist because he wrote the Preamble.
* Greek myths acknowledge Ron Paul as the supreme being.
* Ron Paul has so many morals, he has to pay for two seats on a plane.
There’s actually a Ron Paul Facts website!
October 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
* If Ron Paul was in a room with Hitler, Stalin, and David Benzion, and he had a gun with 2 bullets, he’d shoot Benzion twice.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
55 - wow. Nice one. Or something.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
* If you pull Ron Paul’s finger, a band will march by playing Yankee Doodle Dandy.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
* I just saved a bunch of money by switching to Ron Paul.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
# 55 ?
Why?
The bad jokes?
October 30th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org/storage/afagenda/documents/AFA%20Act%20text.pdf
October 30th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
#59 - I’m actually referring specifically to 55 - a post that talks about the shooting of a live human being. Poor taste, that…
October 30th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
# 61
I agree. It was evidently meant to be a Ron Paul knock, albeit a clumsy one.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
61 & 62 - The original, of course, has Jack Bauer and Nina Myers - the point being that Jack hates Nina more than Hitler or Stalin, for obvious reasons, so you substitute Ron Paul for - oh, never mind.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Here ya go jimbo since you jumped ship. I dont blame ya…it feels good to be in company of the fab five again.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-3835
H.R. 3835: To restore the Constitution’s checks and balances and protections against government abuses as envisioned by the Founding Fathers
October 30th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Let’s play Devils advocate here. I am just now reading the post and all the responses, but I have one question. Since there seem to be very few ron Paul supporters who read this post here, why does anyone think the Paul campaign is obligated to response or apologize to LST?
October 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
AZ
Hamous wrote exactly as he has described here today when Casa Juan Diego was being discussed. Do your research.
Concerning your daily criticisms of LST in other places where they cannot be responded to in this forum constitutes an alligator mouth and hummingbird a$$ situation.
If you want to criticize privately, obviously you are free to say whatever you please. If you consistently criticize LST publicly on other sites thereby avoiding a direct response from LST, then it becomes a matter of your credibility and your character, or lack thereof.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
You too, Daniel. Why keep coming around here if this is such a bad place? Jeez Louise! Ya got one guy that sneaks in under disguise over and over (even turned into a woman once) he hates it so much. One guy that publicly renounces his LST citizenship but surreptitiously still comes in. Two guys who can’t stop whining about what big meanies we all are. Charlie Daniels said it well, “Like I say go or stay either way you ain’t gonna change my life”. The blog wars are over. Time to move on.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
And all of you call RON PAUL crazy???
The man had NO IDEA of who Don Black was….Can’t you get that through your thick skulls???
The campaign then did some due dilligence on the website and has come out and condemned the man and what he stands for….What else do you whack jobs want???
Stop complaining and thinking that everyone is out to get you!!!
October 30th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
#68 RD
You mean they’re not ?
October 30th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
When I saw the enormously inflated headline, I started to yawn. But thanks to 33, 35, 43, 54, and 58 I’m ROTFLMAO.
Just in case you run out of material, here’s some help:
October 30th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
So much irony in four short sentences!
October 30th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
I value humor more than politics.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
I think I do to, bob. Then I see Dennis Kucinich and realize its possible to have both!
October 30th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Oh this is the most fun I’ve had all week!! Although I think Chuck Norris is gonna be a little upset that you’ve inserted Ron Paul’s name into his stuff…
October 30th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
#72 bob
You are a rare bird, not only for a Paulite, but for political junkies in general. Many of them have no idea what humor is and cannot conceive of poking fun at themselves.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Twice in the past five years or so white supremacist groups have held demonstrations in my town. The best thing one can do in this situation is to ignore them – protesters yield media coverage, which is exactly what these groups are seeking in the first place.
Stormfront has received more publicity from this contribution than they could have possibly hoped for, through no fault of Paul’s. Returning the donation would result in even more coverage, so in this case wouldn’t the high road be to do nothing? Stormfront would be smart to now renounce their support of Paul in favor of Hillary, in order to keep a black man out of the White House. Any idea how much free publicity that would bring?
Let’s not play their game.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
duke
What a brilliant idea ?
“Stormfront would be smart to now renounce their support of Paul in favor of Hillary, in order to keep a black man out of the White House. Any idea how much free publicity that would bring?”
October 30th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean their not after you.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
#72 bob
My daughter has a love of politics, but she also has a deep and wonderful sense of humor. While I am proud of giving her both, it is the latter I consider far more important in life.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
#78 monkeyincognito
I had only 38 minutes of bliss and now you’ve ruined it. I am worried again.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
75. Thanks Texpat. As an experienced humorologist, I could probably find a punch line in the rubble of a train wreck. For example, one of my favorite charities is The Tempura House. (It’s a shelter for lightly battered women.)
Whether or not you found that funny, please find that old cell phone of yours and recycle it here:
http://www.cellphonesforlife.org/
October 30th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
That’s sick! Funny as hell, though.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
81 bob
A sick, twisted mind is not a thing to waste. Good Grief - that’s funny !
October 30th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Thanks for the link bob. That’s a pretty good idea! I’ve got several dozen old cell phones at work. I’ll give them a call tomorrow.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
#84
Me too. Thanks.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Casa Juan Diego is not a church run organization or a church as described below. This is what you wrote hamous, texpat I am surprised by your slanderous statements in such a public forum. Maybe both of you should step back from the edge. If you do not want me, or any other living breathing human who does has the ability to form their own opinion then I would recommend to close this down as an open public forum and make it members only.
David you might want to consider banning slanderous statements about private individuals in a public forum such as this. Opinions are fine, but calling someone a liar and questioning their credibility in public steps over the line. And you don’t want to go there.
212. hamous Says: October 24th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
AZ, I would guess that they are a little hesitant to raid a Church-run organization. Not saying that’s right but that’s probably why. A much less obtrusive way would be to drive a few blocks north on Durham and arrest the illegals and standing on the corners and the contractors picking them up.
225. hamous Says: October 24th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
If they were to start raiding Churches it would set back our efforts to get control of the borders by years. All the leftie pseudo-Catholics would suddenly get that old time religion and would be screaming all over the press.
But let’s step back from the hyperbole a bit. CJD can house about 200 people at any given time. I don’t think a raid there is going to put a dent in illegal immigration, and as I said above would probably do more harm than good by making them martyrs. There are much bigger fish.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
#86 - Let’s be sure to judge people by the body of their offhanded blog comments, because as you know, that is a completely accurate indicator of who they really are and where they stand on everything.
/sarc
October 30th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Is it still a full moon?
October 30th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Sad thing is Al, you and I are in agreement on the harm CJD does, not only to fighting illegal immigration but to the immigrants themselves. Actually, we probably agree on about 95% of things political. But you’ve got a “burr up your butt” again on this CJD thing and unless everyone joins your BIGLOBBY (in four feet tall letters, I notice) and thinks just like you then you think I am your enemy. Maybe that’s why you can’t get things rolling - you keep driving everyone away. You’ve morphed into Shakey James™. Btw, I had a “hit piece” all written out on CJD and was ready to hit the “Publish” button until you went bonkers. No way I’ll publish it now
Now, I’ll be quiet. Have a nice night.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
ELECTION 2008:
Ron Paul (R) vs. Dennis Kucinich (D)
Joseph Lieberman (I) third party candidate elected President.
rabbiyonah.wordpress.com/…/ron-paul-and-dennis-kucinech-how-do-you-say-israel-must-be-wiped-off-the-map/
October 30th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
I really done it now. I clicked a link here and was sent to Stormfront. Now they have my IP address and set a cookie (it lacked flavor, rather stale, and had a bitter aftertaste). This will only add to the list of suspicions, accusations, and charges when I get raided and my computer seized.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
FourAlarm, don’t worry, you’re small potatoes. After trudging around a bunch of those slimy sites for three weeks looking at all the RP supporters comments they will definitely come after me first.
October 30th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
The jokes on Dr. Paul here are funny…in a “go over to the corner, sit on the stool next to the table, cut yourself a pice of key lame pie, eat it, then wash it down with a glass of shut-up juice, then take the glass, polish it up real nice, turn it sideways, and shove it up your candy a$$” kind of way.
In other words…NOT!
And yes, I do have a sense of humor. I reserve it for the world beyond politics because it’s more needed there, and most of politics is funny to the point of pathetic.
“I am not gay. Thank you for coming out.” -Larry Craig
Now that’s political humor.
BTW, as for the beginning of this thread, Benton laid it out plain and simple, and he pointed out what he and others will deal with. Straight up and simple.
As I have said before, this is a molehill that some want to make into a mountain. Big deal. The only Old Media hack that has noticed is Michael Deadhead Medved, and he’s a syndicated moron anyway.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
AZ
I stated my opinion about your actions. I also stated my opinion about what might be the result of those actions. These are subjective observations on my part and do not rise remotely to the definition of slander. In the United States of America, expressing one’s opinion is not actionable nor can it be suppressed, in accordance with our First Amendment.
Mr. Zolli, do your homework, do your research. You may not like my opinions, or even me, but hurling charges of slander merely serves to reinforce the notion you have no idea of the meaning of the words you use.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Bob: Please send me your e-mail at:
southerntragedy@hotmail.com
Be not afraid. I won’t stalk you!
October 30th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
94
thats what everyone who’s been successfully sued and lost their shirt has though and lost
Not busting your chops personally but this RP thing jumped the shark about 2 minutes into Dan’s interview with Matt when It was revealed to be a private check and only 500 bucks - and this dead horse may end up in court soon -
Geez what are you guys going to do when you really find something?
I’m not an RP supporter - When I get back - if he’s still in office I’m running against him - he’s a disgrace - but all this now is running a close second if not actually exceeding anything Ron Paul has done
you surrendered the moral authority when you(LST) DEMANDED that a campaign make public statements,make financial decisions and spend scarce time and resources doing what no other candidate is doing - ideological background checks on Donors
Yes the guys a cretin (DonBlack) and guess what there are alotof them out there donating to all of the campaigns
Yawn. Don’t they have anything to do in that sandbox you’re in? LST Moderator
October 30th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
YAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWn is right - there is no story here, never ever was except how not to try and manufacture outrage
Don’t vote for Paul, I’m not nor and I giving him support
But
This is a NON issue was a non issue never was an issue and I have refrained from commentating on it until now
This has nothing to do with any other site this has to do with much ado about nothing
YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNN
October 30th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Nice try though
October 30th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Dear Moderator: Ummm, NO. Eric is the jack of all trades. Uhhhh. didn’t he state that he takes jobs away from US citizens, while working in a foreign country and defended it? EricPJohnson seems to forget what he says. On ALL blogs. I’ve got a file on him. He would never be able to hold an elected office. Besides, he’s just trying to get banned from LST.
I’m not. Please forgive me.
I try to ignore him and skip over his comments, but I read the other replies. Why they reply is beyond me. But then again, I can’t help but looking at roadkill.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
I tend to agree with #96. Great story if Paul was even close to a marginally viable candidate. I also concur with the moderator…”Yawn.” We need to focus on candidates who have seen or not seen a UFO. MSNBC gave ole Dennis a chop block at the end of the debate tonight with the UFO question and LST has “officially” removed a candidate from contention for the highest office in the land. Kudos.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
Wow. What would all these hate groups do without you to let them know when they’re wasting their political donations and votes? Now, instead of doing something pointless with their money, like helping to fund political ads for the only honorable statesman left in this country, they can buy extra copies of ‘Mein Kampf’ for their local libraries.
Great thinking there, skippy.
BTW, have you decided who they should vote for, since you’ve instructed Paul to forbid them to vote for him? How about Hillary and Rudy? They’re both good nazis. Is it okay with you if they switch their support to more appropriate candidates, her fuhrer?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
ST
Yeah yeah yeah heard it all before…..
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Nice try - look no one likes Nazi wantabes - Ron Paul giving Israel to the Arabs is enough for me to never ever support him - but - making something out of nothing is nothing to be all that excited about
IF YOU START THAT UP AGAIN THERE WILL BE TROUBLE. YOU’VE BEEN WARNED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. STOP IT. NOW.
LST MODERATOR
October 30th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
Hey WillRogers: 1st of all, I have helped stop the eating of TRIGGER. It took 6 long years. Some claim that he was actually stuffed, but I claim that Trigger ACTUALLY ended up on a dinner plate in Europe, and Trigger was a replica.
Second of all, some say that I’m a black sheep, but I say Naa-aaaaaaa!/unless, of course, I hear that “special” noise, again.
Ron Paul is good. Ron Paul is great. He’s done so much for Galveston, since being elected into office. Ron Paul is a better candidate for doing nothing, rather than doing SOMETHING. Ron Paul has voted for ear marks, before voting against them./look up the Constitution on page 3-35-196 in the Constitution about ear marks.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Uh ST - Trigger was Roy Rogers’ horse
October 30th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
#96 EPJ
I’ll take my chances with my own understanding of the law. Your shade tree legal advice isn’t really necessary. However, I am concerned that you have now gone off your meds again. We were so proud of you, Eric. You coming along so well. It was clear what was happening when you stopped typing with any vowels. Have you spoken to your physician about a possible diagnosis of Lycanthropism ?
October 30th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
CRAP! I was wrong again….I was just trying to save the livestock, George! Will…Roy…I was close!/my bad!
October 30th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
How does this whole Ron Paul “scandal” effect me or any other reader? Honest question.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
Texpat
The post wasn’t directed at you. But the personal attacks and the modifying of my posts linking pictures to sites that are banned in the middle east was a touch of class was it not?
This is not an LST bash there’s no story here dude!
Never was
The fact that the totally discredited TNR picked it up was the piece de la resistance
hotair dropped it - no activity
- no interest in the story
So blame me if I don’t share the adjusted outrage - don’t vote for Ron Paul
October 30th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
Adam, my personal opinion is that any time we legitimize those types of people, even in a small way, we drop the bar ever so slightly. Knowingly accepting money from them is morally inexcusable in my book. Obviously, not everyone feels that way. That’s fine with me. What isn’t fine is that they tell me I don’t have the right to say it. Pretty strange coming from a bunch of supposed libertarians.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
The New Republic picked up our story ? Well, I guess Franklin Foer will stoop to anything now to divert attention away from his Beauchamp nightmare. He’s got so many problems, it must have been an oversight. Why the man still has his job is a complete mystery to me.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
109
Hamous
No one new who don Black was - that was the point - and the non story and the possible actionable legal matter - if you really were concerned and really wanted them to drop the donation, a private phone call or an email might have sufficed (I know Matt called but you have to be persistent)
There are, according to someone, thousands of Don Blacks in America - its a common name - it would be interested in seeing how many there are
Ron Paul isn’t worth getting sued over (which is the next step I’m sure - they took the time to call David and are still being slandered)
just drop it guys there’s nothing more here to be mined - the bloods out of the turnip
Don’t vote for the guy - ron Paul is not worthy of our consideration and of the hundreds of thousands of Websites out there some maybe objectionable
go figure
October 30th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
got to go, shouldn’t type while on the phone, commerce begins in the middle East
we need to decide how to raise oil futures today
Enjoy, coming to you this summer
October 30th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Why all the fuss? The Propaganda Pimps aka the MSMedia are going to decide who you vote for.
Rudy vs Hill is what they want and Rudy vs Hill is what you will get.
So relax, take a deep breath and be a good little sheep….Baaaaaa
October 31st, 2007 at 4:24 am
I don’t care this exchange was funny
On another note…
Anyone dressing up as Hillary tomorrow?
Zach on October 30, 2007 at 11:58 PM
Anyone dressing up as Hillary tomorrow?
Zach on October 30, 2007 at 11:58 PM
Does putting lipstick on a gorilla count ?
William Amos on October 31, 2007 at 12:00 AM
October 31st, 2007 at 12:23 pm
I am kind of torn with this issue… Ron Paul is obviously not a racist… He does not support White Supremicists… I personally get a feeling in my stomach of disgust whenever I hear about White Supremecists… However, I dont see how a campaign should be forced to deny funds from people that have a different opinion - even if it’s controversial. Doesnt that sound like an enfringement on these people’s beliefs? I mean, Rudy Giuliani, I’m sure is getting money from people that still believe Iraq had something to do with 9-11. And other campaigns take donations from anti-Islamic people… Where do Jessie Jackson’s donations come from? I just think that while RP should publically state that he is not a supporter of white supremecists, that its rediculous to imply that these people should not have the right to donate to a campaign. I think thats against everything we stand for - FREEDOM.
October 31st, 2007 at 8:38 pm
question, I went on the Stormfront web site and didn’t see any Nazi stuff anywhere. On top of that is was not even a real web site, but a forum and radio station.
The National Socialist Party would not support Ron Paul because they are socialists. Now it is true that the KKK and Nazi have one thing in common, they both seem to think you have to be White to be a member of there little club. In fact the KKK says you have to be pure blood. [reminds me of Mud Bloods from Harry Potter]
Look at it this way, Nazi’s are Democrats and KKK are Republicans.
Stormfront is a white pride/nation web site.
A lot of the ‘white pride’ people don’t care about there political backgrounds of each other so they themselves might not even know the difference.
In all, Mr. Black was a member of the American Nazi party in the 70’s and later in life, a member of the KKK.
After doing some research of Mr. Black, I kind of hope that Ron Paul does return the contribution.
On the other hand, no one would have noticed this unless you were looking for it.
Have you searched other criminals and see who they contributed too, how many members of the mob contributed to Rudy’s campaign. How about any polygamists donating to Romney. How about we talk about the campaign contributions to Hillary, there has been a lot of talk about where some of those came from.
On last note, I do not expect the RP campaign to verify all 40k donations last quarter, as I don’t expect any other campaign to do.
October 31st, 2007 at 8:58 pm
As a person of Italian heritage, I can assure you that “the mob” is a figment of Hollywood’s imagination, intended to denigrate hard-working Italian-Americans, capice?
November 1st, 2007 at 9:58 am
Pizza God,
If the site owners here have no objection to a White Nationalist posting here let me answer your questions, as there obviously is some confusion here.
The first confusions seems to come with terminology, for a start you won’t see “Nazi” stuff anywhere, because “Nazi” is a derogatory term invented for members of the Nazional Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei, in 1930’s Germany, and the party, nor indeed most of it’s detractors, exist anymore, so there is no such thing as a “Nazi”.
What you will find at Stormfront (and I hasten to add I am not a current member of the site), is that it is a racial conservative messageboard, which plays host to a broad base of members, across a wide political spectrum, from world war two “re-enactors”, through members of the Ku Klux Klan, to modern day Republicans, Democrats, and libertarians, in fact the only unifying factor for the membership is that the majority believe that race is a significant issue, but even in that sense there are varying degrees.
Crude, and not entirely accurate, but it highlights some understanding of the differences between different groups on a racial conservative site such as Stormfront, yes, indeed, whilst the above isn’t altogether accurate, there are Democrats, and Republicans, as well as Libertarians on the site.
If we are to be honest it’s a politically confused site, and many of the members are extremely politically naive, which is why you have this situation, that is being reported on here.
It is completely beyond all doubt that Ron Paul is at complete odds with the ideologies of Stormfront, and yet there are confused members of that messageboard who chose to support him, out of ignorance, and naivety.
(I could right you quite a conclusive piece on why Ron Paul, and Stormfront should be diametrically opposed to each other, but I will assume most of the readers here are not so naive as to need a road map on this issue).
Then in 1995 he set up Stormfront to support David Duke’s 1996 run for senate, in 2000 he backed George Bush (and gave to his campaign) and in 2007 we see him supporting Ron Paul (the Republican least like the current incumbent, that he supported 7 years ago), all of which really highlights the political naivety that I was talking about.
How can you be a “Nazi”, a “KKK” supporter, a Republican, a Democrat, a Libertarian, Pro-Bush, and Pro-Paul?
These things cover just about every opposite conceivable.
Well, sorry to burst the LST teams joyous dance over their “exclusive”, but it’s hardly a secret, Stormfront have been openly pushing the guy for months, and many other sites have reported on this.
In fact there is a “sticky” post on Stormfront, dated almost two weeks before LST’s ‘exclusive’, where Don Black is quoted as saying “I’ll need to borrow on my credit cards to make up the shortfall this month, meaning I’m in effect personally contributing another $1000 in addition to what I’ve contributed directly to the Ron Paul campaign.”, and that thread has been read some 4,000+ times.
I myself reported on the issue some time ago, so the story is not only quite old, but has been widely read, and circulated.
It may be an exclusive to LST, in the sense that they are the first to break the story to their readership, but it’s an old story elsewhere.
The reason the story hasn’t picked up any major exposure is that it is in fact pretty much a non-story, which is why many of you may not have read about it until it first appeared here.
If we put the story into it’s true context then we have to alter the original title from “Neo-Nazi leader Ron Paul $500″ to “Webmaster of racial messageboard gives Ron Paul $500″, which instantly loses the story some of it’s “sparkle”, I mean when we see we’re talking about an owner of a messageboard, and NOT a political leader, it’s somewhat less significant in appearance.
Furthermore, when we consider the person in question has a history of making strange political donations, to people who fully, and openly oppose him, you are left with even more of a non-story.
Perhaps a better headline would have been “Confused racialist Webmaster sends $500 to Ron Paul, in the naive hope that he may change his mind on just about everything he stands for”?
…and when you read it like that, it’s just not a story.
I’m sure many confused people up, and down, the country are donating funds to candidates on a daily basis, who do not share their views.
I’m just glad as a White Nationalist I’m clear about my political views, and won’t be wasting my money on candidates who oppose me.
Incidentally, for the record, whilst some naive racial conservatives do support Ron Paul, obviously the White Nationalist movement doesn’t, as our views are not at all similar, and so we share no common ground.
November 4th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
Once again I find myself having to thank you for the free publicity. You should really consider joining the Ron Paul Revolution I mean you certainly make us that are already part of it feel quite happy about the way it is going.